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Palantir is delivering accelerating revenue growth, expanding margins, and strong cash flow, supported by robust demand for its AI Platform and a growing customer base.
1. Revenue is accelerating with 85% YoY growth in Q1 2026
Palantir's Q1 2026 revenue reached $1.63 billion, an 85% year-over-year increase (, ). This growth was driven by both U.S. government and commercial segments, with U.S. commercial revenue growing 133% to $595 million (, ). The company also raised its full-year 2026 revenue guidance to $7.656 billion, representing 71% YoY growth ().
2. Profitability and margins are expanding rapidly
Adjusted income from operations in Q1 2026 was $984 million, representing a 60% margin (, ). This reflects a significant improvement from the 50% adjusted operating margin in FY2025 (). Gross margin also increased to 87% in Q1 2026 from 82% in FY2025 (, ). This margin expansion supports strong profitability and free cash flow generation.
3. Free cash flow and liquidity are robust
Palantir generated $925 million in adjusted free cash flow in Q1 2026 (), and ended the quarter with $8 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term U.S. Treasury securities (, ). Net cash provided by operating activities for the year ended December 31, 2025, was $2.1 billion (), reflecting strong operational performance and financial discipline.
4. Strong product momentum with AI Platform (AIP)
Management emphasized the accelerating demand for Palantir's AI Platform (AIP), which they position as the only enterprise-grade, 'no slop' solution (). Maven usage doubled in four months and is four times higher over the past 12 months (), and the company replaced its internal CRM with an AIP solution in a few months (). This product momentum is a key driver of customer growth and retention.
5. Customer growth and retention are strong
Palantir's customer count grew 31% to 1,007 as of March 31, 2026 (, ). Net dollar retention was 150% in Q1 2026 (), and the average revenue for the top twenty customers increased 55% to $108 million (). This customer growth and retention, combined with a 70% increase in U.S. revenue to $1.282 billion (), underscores the company's strong value proposition.
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- ▸Palantir's top three customers accounted for 16% of revenue in FY2025 (F-015), which could pose concentration risk.
- ▸The company faces regulatory and geopolitical risks, including new AI regulations and conflict in the Middle East (F-033, F-034).
Revenue Quality and Geographic Concentration
Why it matters
This is the central disagreement of the entire thesis. Whether the rapid growth is high-quality and sustainable (Bull) or fragile and concentrated (Bear) fundamentally changes the valuation, risk profile, and ultimate investment decision.
Revenue is accelerating impressively, with 85% YoY growth in Q1 2026 (, ) fueled by a 133% surge in the U.S. commercial segment (, ), prompting a raised full-year guidance ().
The rapid growth is dangerously concentrated, with the U.S. now accounting for 79% of total revenue (, , ) and the top three customers representing 16% of FY2025 revenue (), creating significant dependency risk.
Both sides agree
- ▸Both sides acknowledge Palantir's strong recent revenue growth (F-001, C-001).
- ▸Both sides agree the company has high adjusted operating margins and is generating strong cash flow (C-021, F-014, F-031).
- ▸It is agreed that the customer base is growing and net dollar retention is high (F-004, C-019).
- ▸Both sides concede the company has customer concentration risk (F-015) and is exposed to geopolitical and regulatory risks (F-033, F-034).
Palantir's rapid growth and bullish guidance are built on high concentration risk, regulatory headwinds, and potential over-reliance on U.S. government and commercial contracts.
1. High concentration in U.S. and top customers raises dependency risk
Palantir's U.S. business accounted for 74% of total revenue in FY2025 () and grew 104% year-over-year in Q1 2026 (), with the U.S. now representing 79% of total revenue (). Additionally, the top 20 customers generated an average of $93.9 million in trailing 12-month revenue, up 45% YoY (), and the top three customers accounted for 16% of FY2025 revenue (). This concentration increases vulnerability to any shifts in U.S. policy or loss of key clients.
2. Geopolitical and regulatory risks could disrupt operations
Palantir faces geopolitical risks from Middle East conflicts, including potential retaliatory strikes on private infrastructure (), and regulatory risks from new AI laws such as South Korea’s AI Basic Act (). These risks could lead to operational disruptions, compliance costs, or reduced demand in key international markets.
3. Significant long-term cloud hosting commitment may strain flexibility
Palantir is committed to spending at least $5.6 billion over ten years on cloud services through 2036 (). While this supports scalability, it also locks the company into a fixed-cost structure that could become a liability if demand for its services slows or if more cost-effective alternatives emerge.
4. Executive Rule 10b5-1 trading plans may signal caution
Several executives, including CEO Alexander Karp, adopted or modified Rule 10b5-1 trading plans for the sale of company stock in Q1 2026 (, ). While not indicative of insider knowledge, such plans can sometimes reflect personal financial planning or a lack of long-term conviction in the stock’s trajectory.
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- ▸Palantir has demonstrated strong revenue growth, with FY2025 revenue up 56% and Q1 2026 up 85% YoY (F-001, C-001).
- ▸The company has a high adjusted operating margin of 60% in Q1 2026 (C-021) and strong cash flow generation (F-014, F-031).
- ▸Palantir has a growing customer base and high net dollar retention of 150% in Q1 2026 (C-019, F-004).
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Palantir Technologies | Q1 2026 Earnings Webcast
S1 · 0:05 Good afternoon. I'm Anna Sara from Palantir s finance team, and I'd like to welcome you to our first quarter 2026 earnings call. We'll be discussing the results announced in our press release, issued after the market closed and posted on our Investor Relations website. During the call, we will make statements regarding our business that may be considered forward looking within applicable securities laws, including statements regarding our second quarter and fiscal 2026 results, management's expectations for a future financial and operational performance, and other statements regarding our plans, prospects and expectations. These statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause them to differ materially from actual results. Information concerning those risks is available in our earnings press release, distributed after the market closed today and in our SEC filings. We undertake no obligation to update forward looking statements except as required by law. Further, during the course of today's call, we will refer to certain adjusted financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to not as a substitute for or in isolation from GAAP measures. Additional information about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliation of non-GAAP to comparable GAAP measures, is included in our press release and investor presentation provided today. Our press release, investor presentation, and other earnings materials are available on our Investor Relations website at investors.palantir.com. Over the course of the call, we will refer to various growth rates when discussing our business. These rates reflect year over year comparisons unless otherwise stated. Joining me on today's call are Alex Karp, Chief Executive officer. Shyam Shankar, chief technology officer. Dave Glaser, Chief Financial Officer. And Ryan Taylor, Chief Revenue Officer and Chief legal officer. I'll now turn it over to Ryan to start the call.
S2 · 1:49 The last three months have been some of the most exciting in the history of Palantir, as we've watched the whole world begin to see the incredible promise of operational AI, as well as the risks and perils of being beholden to models alone. We achieved 85% year over year revenue growth. Our highest overall revenue growth rate as a public company and 16% sequential growth. Our U.S. business, now 79% of total revenue, surpassed 100% year over year growth for the first time since our DPO, growing 104% year over year and 19% sequentially. Our rule of 40 score climbed to 145, up from 127 last quarter on absolute ape dominance. Ape is the only platform that establishes a true AI no slop zone, a necessary requisite to converting potential AI leverage into compounding real world value without risking enterprise disaster. As the AIG CEO noted in their recent earnings call. They are deploying Ape to implement a multi agentic underwriting and claims solution comprised of purpose built agents ingesting submissions, evaluating risk benchmarking, pricing and detecting fraud, all coordinated through the ontology. When you want AI to work in production in a real enterprise at real scale, where there is no room for slop, there is only one platform ape. It is not just the playbook of cutting costs and streamlining processes. Ape is the battle tested platform that allows the wholesale redefinition of how companies compete within their industries. The depth of our customer commitments reflects that ambition. Referencing our work with Motor and Freedom Mortgage, where we are revamping the end to end mortgage process with Ape, the motor chairman stated, quote, this strategic partnership will reshape the future of our industry. Together, we're building technology that can help improve affordability, lower borrowing costs and expand access to home ownership for millions of Americans. Our U.S. commercial business grew 133% year over year and 18% sequentially, with expansions at existing customers leading the charge. A testament to the compounding real value created for our customers. For example, on the back of a 26% increase in engine production with AP, GE aerospace deepened their partnership with Palantir last quarter to deploy Agentic AI powered solutions across their production system and military aviation supply chain. With a shared mission of ensuring that more aircraft remain available to train America's next generation of U.S. Air Force pilots, Andersen Worldview expanded their work with Palantir to bring AP to the stratosphere and build the operational backbone required to scale their missions, they noted. Palantir powered workflows don't just make one launch faster. They make dozens or 100 simultaneous launches possible with the same operational efficiency. Load bearing institutions upon which the West depends, know or will soon know that our AI platforms are the indispensable means of delivering their must win operational outcomes. In Q1, our US government business grew 84% year over year and 21% sequentially. An upshot of our transformational work across every domain, the Foundation remains our deployment of Maven Smart System to empower our troops. As the chief digital and AI officer at the Department of War noted, quote, I care about one thing and one thing only, that the 1819, 20 year old kid who had no choice in where he went or what threat he was facing, I want him to win and come home. That's why we do it. Palantir is very helpful in delivering this beyond Maven ship OS. Boaz, in partnership with the Department of the Navy, has produced remarkable impact at several manufacturing industrial based suppliers already, including dropping manufacturing bill of materials approval time from 200 hours to 15 seconds, increasing speed of contract review cycles by 57 to 73% and reducing monthly material planning time by 94%. Just as commercial organizations are reshaping their industries, ship OS is the reinvention of America's maritime industrial base. This is just the start of how our support of manufacturing processes will transform existential programs for the US government. In fact, we've already seen the government step in to transition and scale a successful private sector manufacturing program we're supporting. On the civil side, the USDA awarded Palantir a contract of up to $300 million last month to provide USDA with capabilities to support American farmers, secure farmland, enhance supply chain resilience and shield agricultural programs from fraud, abuse and foreign adversary influence in government and commercial. Palantir is transforming how load bearing institutions operate and how they win. I'll now turn it over to Shyam.
S3 · 7:11 Thanks, Ryan. For over two years now, we've been saying that while LLMs are improving, models are converging and the cost per token continues to drop precipitously. GPT four equivalent performance that costs $20 per million tokens in early 2023 is now approximately a thousand times cheaper three years later. Because of this increased efficiency use case, demand for tokens is exploding. Our AP workflows today utilize vastly more tokens. Agents orchestrating across the ontology chaining reasoning tool use retrieval and execution. And it's growing. This is Jevons Paradox. It's the single most important dynamic in enterprise software right now. When the Victorians built more efficient steam engines, everyone assumed coal consumption would fall. Instead, it skyrocketed. Cheaper transport meant more demand for transport. Tokens are the new coal AP is the train. As inference gets cheaper, the number of tasks that you can economically assign to AI grows exponentially. Precisely because tokens are so much cheaper, agents can in principle benefit by consuming so many more tokens to reason, plan, execute multi-step workflows, call tools, self-correct. But in practice, the number of tasks that you can trust, a model without the right harness exponentially declines. More tokens means more slop. And the more commodity cognition you consume, the more you need a system that can prevent the economic harm. So you can harness the economic value. That system is AP, that intermediary representation is the ontology. This is also why we are seeing the death of legacy software. AIP replaces static workflows not by replicating the playbook, but by eliminating the need for one. Thomas Kavanagh Construction 97% of their employees use foundry every day, and every other piece of software must now justify its existence, and so far they haven't been able to. We're seeing this internally, too. This quarter, we replaced our old expensive CRM with an AI first solution built on AP in a few months that users absolutely love. Our customers are seeing the real value is not automating what you already do. It's doing what was previously impossible. A major telco set out to automate 10 million customer calls a year. The real insight was that the most dissatisfied customers never call. They churned silently. The reframe was counterintuitive. Don't use AI to reduce calls. Use it to generate them. An AI advocate that proactively calls on every customer's behalf. The point is simple use AI to do more work. Work that was never economically feasible before. AP for every agent action, our customers need to answer three questions. Who authorized this? What did it cost? Can I trust what it did? These questions need exact answers with precision. There's no tolerance for slop. We're building a platform Native Agent Engine SDK. A single set of primitives for building, persisting, governing, and operating ontology. Native agents. A common layer that lets you visualize every agent in your enterprise and control it, regardless of how it was built. A true agent operating system on top of that unified cost attribution per agent, per session, per workflow, with administrative caps. Full provenance. So every ontology mutation traces back to the agent and reasoning chain that produced it. Security marking propagation from input data through agent sessions onto all output with approval gates for any workflow that could reclassify information. That's how you get a CISO, a CFO, and a combatant commander to say, yes, AIP is the no slop zone, the platform where every agent action is governed, attributed, and auditable. Turning to US government on the foxhole side, Maven met its moment across real world events in Q1. Usage has doubled in the past four months through the end of March, and is now four X. Over the past 12 months. Across the services, the combatant commands, the joint Staff and the intelligence community when the stakes are highest, when failure is measured in lives and readiness. This is where we are uniquely positioned on the factory floor side, the demand on the defense industrial base to ramp production and sustainment has been so acute that we have surged resources from our commercial business. This is exactly what Warp Speed was built for modernized American manufacturing. And we're doing just that. Where it counts the most, AIP is the default builder platform in the Department of War, with thousands of developers using Aifd, migrating legacy systems, standing up new capabilities, solving problems that used to require contractor teams, and months of lead time. Our software is becoming the most malleable and responsive weapon system for the joint force. Finally, what's now clear is that Methos and Spud and even other current generation models with AP are capable of finding novel vulnerabilities and complex cyber kill chains. They have discovered thousands of zero days in major operating systems and browsers. This is the Sputnik moment in the AI arms race. The rate of vulnerability identification is about to skyrocket. Finding the bugs is no longer the limiting factor. Rapid fire remediation with exact precision, immediacy, and absolute certainty is the new hard problem. Knowing exactly what versions of what software are running, where, and closing the remediation chain autonomously. Apollo was built for exactly this. We're shipping the next generation of Apollo as we help our customers reap posture for this world. And note the Jevons Paradox dynamic here to more AI means more code. More code means more slop. More slop means more attack surface. More tax surface means more vulnerabilities and more vulnerabilities means more Apollo. I'll turn it over to Dave.
S4 · 13:01 Thanks, Sean. We had an outstanding first quarter, delivering our strongest ever Q1 sequential growth rate of 16% and our highest ever reported year over year growth rate of 85%. Our revenue growth rate accelerated for the 11th consecutive quarter, highlighting the durability of the growth of our business at scale. We expanded our rule of 40 score by 18 points quarter over quarter from 127 in Q4 to 145 in Q1. Our U.S. business achieved triple digit growth for the first time, driven by accelerating demand for our AI platform. Revenue in our U.S. business grew 104% year over year and 19% sequentially in the first quarter. Our US commercial business grew 133% year over year and 18% sequentially, and our U.S. government business grew 84% year over year and 21% sequentially. On the back of this continued strength in the US. We are raising our full year 2020 revenue guidance midpoint to $7.656 billion, representing 71% growth year over year, a ten point increase over our full year 2020 revenue guidance from last quarter and our largest ever full year revenue guidance raise. Turning to our global top line results. First quarter revenue grew 85% year over year and 16% sequentially to 1.633 billion. First quarter U.S. revenue grew 104% year over year and 19% sequentially to 1.282 billion. Customer count grew 31% year over year and 6% sequentially to 1007 customers. revenue from our largest customers continues to expand. First quarter trailing 12 month revenue from our top 20 customers, increased 55% year over year to $108 million per customer. Now, moving to our commercial segment, first quarter commercial revenue grew 95% year over year and 14% sequentially to $774 million. We closed $1.3 billion in commercial TCV bookings in the first quarter, representing 42% growth year over year. Our AI platform dominates the US markets as the only real choice for deploying AI models operationally in a way that actually works. First quarter US commercial revenue grew 133% year over year and 18% sequentially to $595 million. This exceptional growth even understates our US commercial momentum. As Ryan noted, we had a successful US commercial customer program transition to a US government customer. Absent this transition, US commercial growth would have been 143% year over year and 22% sequentially. In Q1, we closed our third consecutive quarter of over $1 billion in US commercial TCV bookings at $1.2 billion, representing growth of 45% year over year. Over the past 12 months, we closed $4.7 billion of US commercial TCV bookings, 115% increase from the prior 12 months, highlighting the accelerating demand for AI that creates real operational value. Total remaining deal value in our US commercial business grew 112% year over year and 12% sequentially. Our US commercial customer count grew to 615 customers, reflecting growth of 42% year over year and 8% sequentially. First quarter international commercial revenue grew 26% year over year and 5% sequentially to $179 million. Revenue from strategic commercial contracts was $3 million for the quarter, representing 0.2% of overall revenue. We expect revenue from these contracts to be less than half $1 million in each remaining quarter of this year. Shifting to our government segment, first quarter government revenue grew 76% year over year and 18% sequentially to 858 million. First quarter U.S. government revenue grew 84% year over year and 21% sequentially to $687 million. This growth was driven by continued execution and existing programs and new awards, reflecting the growing demand for our AI platform in government. First quarter international government revenue grew 51% year over year and 7% sequentially to $172 million. We closed $2.4 billion of TCV bookings, up 61% year over year on a dollar weighted duration basis. TCV bookings grew 135% year over year. Net dollar retention was 150%, an increase of 1100 basis points from last quarter. The increase was driven both by expansions at existing customers and new customers acquired in Q1 of last year. As load bearing institutions continue to turn to Palantir as battle tested AI platform. As net dollar retention does not include revenue from new customers that were acquired in the past 12 months, it is not yet fully captured the acceleration and velocity in our U.S. business over the past year. We ended the first quarter with $11.8 billion in total remaining deal value, an increase of 98% year over year and 6% sequentially and $4.5 billion in remaining performance obligations, an increase of 134% year over year and 9% sequentially. As a reminder, RPO is primarily comprised of our commercial business as it does not take into account contracts with an initial term of less than 12 months and contractual obligations that fall beyond termination for convenience clauses, both of which are common in most of our government business. Turning to margin and expense, adjusted gross margin, which excludes stock based compensation expense, was 88% for the quarter adjusted income from operations, which excludes stock based compensation expense and related employer payroll taxes, was $984 million in the quarter, representing an adjusted operating margin of 60%. Q1 adjusted expense was $649 million, up 7% sequentially and 32% year over year, primarily driven by the continued investment in our AI platform and technical hiring. We continue to expect expenses to ramp in 2026, as we remain committed to investing in the product pipeline and the most elite technical talent, all while delivering on our goals of sustained GAAP profitability. First quarter GAAP operating income was $754 million, representing a 46% margin. First quarter GAAP net income was $871 million, representing a 53% margin. First quarter stock based compensation expense was $202 million, and equity related employer payroll tax expense was $28 million. First quarter GAAP earnings per share was $0.34. First quarter adjusted earnings per share was $0.33. Additionally, our combined revenue growth and adjusted operating margin accelerated to 145% in the first quarter and 18% increase to our rule of 40 score from the prior quarter and our 11th consecutive quarter of an expanding rule of 40 score. With our 2026 revenue and adjusted operating income guidance, we are guiding to a rule of 40 score of 129% for the full year. Turning to our cash flow, in the first quarter, we generated $899 million in cash from operations and $925 million in adjusted free cash flow, representing margins of 55% and 57%, respectively. We ended the quarter with $8 billion in cash, cash equivalents and short term US Treasury securities. Now, turning to our outlook for Q2 2026, we expect revenue of between 1.797 and 1.801 billion and adjusted income from operations of between 1.063 and 1.067 billion. For a full year 2026, we are raising our revenue guidance to between 7.650 and 7.662 billion. We are raising our US commercial revenue guidance to in excess of 3.224 billion, representing a growth rate of at least 120%. We are raising our adjusted income from operations guidance to between 4.440 and 4.452 billion. We are raising our adjusted free cash flow guidance to between 4.2 and 4.4 billion, and we continue to expect GAAP operating income and net income in each quarter of this year. With that, I'll turn it over to Alex for a few remarks, and then Anna will kick off the Q&A.
S5 · 21:16 Welcome to yet another exciting earnings call. With these numbers, the ones that leap out to everyone are the over 100% growth in the US. The rule of 145, the 85% growth in the US and guiding to 71%. Um, and just the underlying dynamics of that. We, you would think that the most interesting thing is just the truly n of one nature of these numbers. And in fact, it is pretty fascinating, especially people who've doubted that we get this far. But I think the most important thing about our earnings is it establishes beyond a doubt that while over the over the history of Palantir, we were we focused on things that actually actually transform the world. And the current environment is actually being transformed by the Palantir platform. And although there's a wide view out there in the world, that AI slop is going to take over the world. Our clients, especially the US government, especially people in war zones where their lives are on the line and in complex industries that are essentially everlasting primordial infrastructure industries. No, this is not the case. They buy our product despite the fact we have 70 salespeople, a normal company of our size would have 7000. Only seven of our salespeople actually even really sell. We are we are doing a we're doing what a normal company would do with 7000 salespeople, with seven people, we're doubling the US. We are dominating on the battlefield. Sean, we'll talk about this later. But the way in which war is fought, the way in which we bring our soldiers home, the way in which we procure munitions, the way in which we revitalize the US, as opposed and in contradistinction to both allies and friends and enemies, is being done in our platform from beginning to end across the US. The reality that we will be able to drive a 100% growth in the US is being driven by the fact that our customers either know or will know that you need actual results. Those results require granularity, Specificity, actual relationship to facts. The appearance of software working is not software working, and the slop that is getting a lot of attention is not only dangerous in terms of the hyperbolic rhetoric that also like there will be no jobs because of the slop, that nothing will work. We will we will have a godlike figure in the name of AI, when in fact, what actually does work is a platform built by a motley crew of highly technical people who, over 20 years have been maligned for being right about the nature of having to build foundry, the nature of having to build Apollo, the nature of an FDA. And actually, even now, Apollo, out of nowhere, all of our products are being validated and extended and accentuated by AI and the demand. The demand for this is once in a lifetime. And that demand is actually driving these financials, meaning growing 100% the rule of 145. The ability to grow commercial in the US at at at guide to 120 and a 71%, um, uh, goal for the year. What did we miss? Okay. Any case, I hope you guys got that. Uh, um. Uh, the. Wow, this is like being on stage. Um. Uh, yes. So with that, maybe we'll go to questions, but, um, the, the, the unique way in which this company is being run, the unique way in which the way we built the products, the unique way in which we're willing to be non-mimetic when the whole world said software had to be worthless, we built platforms that worked. When the whole world said you could not extend it with PhDs, we went and built PhDs. When the whole world is saying AI slop without an ontology, that allows you to put true statements and truths into the ontology and therefore produce actual results, we stuck to our guns and what did we get? We got these results. And I think if you you just look at the results. How can a company grow 100% in the US with functionally a non-existent sales force with the same number of people? Our free cash flow this quarter is larger than our revenue a year ago in the same quarter. Think about that. Same company, same people. Extenuated products. It's all being extended. And then look at the impact on the battlefield in the Middle East on every every government institution on demand of our product and in US commercial. This is all the result of being right about product, right about execution, and standing in the headwinds of people who are certain they're. Right. Now, the new version is AI slop and proving that they're wrong with our results. This is an incredible quarter, and I'm very proud of this.
S1 · 26:14 Thanks, Alex. We'll now turn to questions from our shareholders before opening up the call. We received a question from Aiden G. Who asks, how does Palantir expect to navigate an environment where AI is pressuring software companies and their capabilities?
S3 · 26:27 Well, thanks. Thanks for the question. Well, it's a massive tailwind for us because we've always been counter positioned against this sort of legacy thin software. You know, that that kind of was built by and execute a playbook that's built around rent extraction and no outcome delivery. We, on the other hand, have been focused entirely on building software that's focused on alpha, not beta. We're not trying to make you the same as every other person. We're trying to figure out what makes you different. How do we express your business strategy through the software platforms and products we build? So that part is probably obvious, that counter positioning. But the other counter positioning is against AI slop. You know, we are focused on enterprise autonomy, not on dazzling demos. We have in the ontology, the no slop zone. The ontology is the body to the AI brains. You can't actually interact with the enterprise or affect the world. Your agents can go nowhere without ontology. And you're seeing that with our customers in government. We are the platform that you build applications and agents on in the commercial world. People are replacing legacy software at a lightning fast pace, as I mentioned in my remarks. And we see that even internally at Palantir, where we've gotten rid of legacy software like CRM, built it very quickly on top of our platform to a user experience that our users love.
S5 · 27:38 Can I just, you know, almost every single highlighted example of AI that actually is producing results in the US is actually Palantir by Palantir. And if you one of the ways to pen test what we're saying is just dig into the examples of AI actually transforming an enterprise. Call the client, talk to them. I'm not saying every single one is, but almost every single one is. And it's and it is because the theory of what how you do AI and the practice in the enterprise are just radically different. And they look the same to non-technical people, but they do not look the same to practitioners, whether you're on the battlefield or whether you're an insurance company or whether you're a hospital or whether you're a manufacturer. What they discover is the reality of doing this requires a platform like ontology and currently executed on top of foundry with PhDs. And currently that combination is available from one company. And that is us.
S6 · 28:37 Thank you. Please, please.
S1 · 28:41 Our next question is from Dan with Wedbush. Dan, please turn on your camera and then you'll receive a prompt to unmute your line.
S7 · 28:49 Yes, sir. Yeah. Thank you. Um, well great quarter. Uh, again, uh, my, my question is, how do you balance between going after government deals and then commercial deals? Because obviously, you know, you're in a unique position, just like we saw with that deal this quarter. Can you talk about that balance? Because obviously there's more demand than supply in terms of relative, in terms of pound to. Thanks.
S5 · 29:22 Here, let me just. And then I'll give this to. Maybe we'll talk to Ryan. Uh, so the reality of how Palantir works is we always provide we position and prioritize the US war fighters over everything else. And when we believe or know, because of our proximity that the US war fighter is in danger, we put the whole company against it. And it it is not always the way in which one should do this, but it is how we do it. And we've done this from the beginning and we're doing it now. And so in the current context, we take opportunities that look the same from a business perspective. And we 100% prioritize this nation's security over any other variable. Now, if that also interestingly, gives us leverage because we go to the government and we'll. And one thing people don't believe is we're like, look, this doesn't work the way you think or this kind of execution will not lead to success. And you are actually asking us to take money out of our pocket to do it, which we will do, but we cannot sign up to do something that won't work, that will not advance the warfighter, that will not advance munitions, that will not help this country have better unit economics while hurting or deprioritizing another, by the way, we tell commercial clients this. I tell commercial clients this all the time. We will we are highly monogamous in our, uh, in the way we work. We are not trying to make you into a commodity. The only thing we will put above you is the US national security. And by the way, um, we're more than willing to do this when it is unpopular or when it's popular. And that's if you look at the retention and the full alignment inside Palantir. The benefit of this is we just attract and retain people that understand there is a higher value, uh, than just running the business as a business. Um, that said, our biggest problem currently is demand in the US. I believe we will have 100% growth in the US. Um, is that we just cannot meet demand. And again, the advantage here is we can go to commercial and government clients and say, look, this doesn't make sense. If you want slop, you can go here. If you want old school software that actually doesn't work and probably will disappear. There are a lot of names. If you want us, we need we need to do it in a way that will make sense. And that gives us a lot of leverage. But we're very upfront with people, just like with our customers and just like we are internally. And, um, and we're also doing this abroad, you know, one of the reasons why we're intolerant of software and AI or some kind of witchcraft dance that you have in some parts of continental Europe is we have no time for it. We literally have no time or no energy for the waste of time machine. Probably I should be on TV explaining to people why the models are actually only useful on a platform, why the use cases platform companies are talking about are actually in Palantir. Why the cost and token reduction token price is exactly what we predicted. Why our clients actually are asking can I have a cheaper model since they seem pretty similar, but we also don't have a lot of time for that. Would you like to add to this? Now that we're on the mic.
S2 · 32:40 I'll just say what we're seeing across our customers and this is what's driving the U.S. generally is those that understand the load bearing context. In order to apply AI in that context, you need to be able to deploy it with precision, without slop. And you see like AIG CEO talking about the genetic underwriting and claims process that's being coordinated through the ontology. These are all really massive undertakings. We're going deep with our customers and we're having that level of impact. And that's what really is driving us.
S1 · 33:11 Thank you. Our next question is from Mariano with Bank of America. Mariano, please turn on your camera and you'll receive a prompt to unmute your line.
S8 · 33:20 Turn on everyone. Hope you can hear me, but I don't know if you're going to be able to see me, but I'm going to start off with a follow up. I'm going to do three questions today. Number one, um, when I started, you guys, uh, you have some customers that wanted to do it their way. And what's happening right now with the AI labs getting into enterprises, like how many customers understand that value or how many are the customers that like understand it and are actually advancing faster? But you also have some that are still like just, I don't know, trying with just anthropic, Gemini, like open AI, they all have enterprise solutions now. Um, Alex, you mentioned talent. How easy or hard is actually to get the, the right engineers to keep being able to incorporate all that to the outcomes that you are looking for. And the second one on, on defense, because it's where my heart is always. Um, you got a good call out on Maven in the presidential budget request. Maven is one of the two pillars for that C2. Um, Titan is moving to production and that is amazing news. But this is an election year. How much of that growth depends on that budget being appropriated and how much you can actually keep growing? If we were to see an extended continued resolution.
S5 · 34:50 Um, well, the talent question is the Palantir is famous for having the best talent over a very long period of time. Look, it's a super competitive environment. The, the, I think most the whole world wants to either work a Palantir or a lab. Um, the advantage that we have at Palantir is if you, if you come to Palantir, you learn how to build something that is truly unique. And quite frankly, if you want to leave volunteer, you can have any job in the world. And so the I think that talent race is going to continue. Uh, the, the, the thing about being a Palantir is it's a very high pressure, very unique environment where we need people who are willing to do things that are different than anyone else. And where although we're 9/10 of the world loves us, one tenth of the world hates us. So you're going someone on your social graph is definitely going to call you up and say, how can you power? How can you do this important work in Israel or the Department of War or other places, even though we've powered every administration basically since in existence? Not at the scale, obviously. So that's an ongoing thing. I am pretty confident that we will continue to attract, attract and retain some of the best talent in the world. And we're seeing a ramp up in that. I am now personally sitting across recruiting. I'm particularly interested in neurodivergent people of all kind people who are neurodivergent enough that they get up and come to this country and do important, valuable work. And we see a lot of. Yeah. And so like, we're really, we find a lot of our allies have chosen to come to America and chosen to come to Palantir. We like that. Um, but it is an ongoing battle. There really are a couple options in the world that make sense. Palantir is obviously one of them and we're very, very unique. Um, I would also say the more we produce these numbers and the more we have actual experience on the battlefield in an enterprise, one of the things we're going to do in increasingly a frontal job of doing is you can join the startup that probably is not going anywhere. Everyone kind of on the inside knows ventures, kind of not doing well. Or you could come to Palantir and we'll show you the opportunity you could actually be involved in. And that's enormously charismatic. So I'm pretty, pretty confident about that. But but but it is an ongoing everyday battle. Everybody wants a Palestinian. When we started this a couple years ago, I was saying Palantir is the most important degree in the world. The problem for us is it is the most important degree in the world, and everyone knows it now. Thanks also because we got fair coverage and because, you know, I mean, we probably are in our because of our domination here, somewhat undervalued. But people know that we actually are changing the world and we're probably somewhat undervalued. So it's a great place to go on the defense side. I'll leave it to Shyam to talk now that we're doing our yeah.
S3 · 37:38 Yeah. On the defense side, it's been a very active period. It's not just Maven and Titan. There's also the work that we're doing on production across major weapon systems for the department. Uh, work around the Sputnik moment right now. So there there's a lot going on that one should be pretty excited about. Uh, the department's pulling as much of that into 26 as possible. History would suggest, of course, we're going to be in a KR because we've Like most time since Palantir's existed, there's always been a KR. So there are certain things that are outside of our control. But I feel very good that the role we're playing, the stakes are very high. The what we're providing is existential to actually moving the department forward. And we'll realize that value, um, on the AI lab side, the enterprise side here, you know, I think, I think one of one of the privileged positions we live in is that the limits of what the models can do. I think one of the challenges for the labs is that they all they see are the limitless potential, as opposed to, um, living at the edge of where does it translate into economic value. Uh, and you see that with when, you know, I wish everyone the best with building out deploy code, but it's essentially how do I take Palantir and try to replicate that? What we do is very unique based on how we've organized ourselves and the tension between PhD and product development. Um, and we have these out of body experiences. There's at least two labs. We can think about where they were talking about two different customers that they're working with and how it's transformed X or Y. Yeah, it did in AP. We did that. So I think to a point where where the economic value is actually being generated, we we have the most privileged position in the world.
S5 · 39:15 Can I just add to that point, the best thing that can happen to this country, to this company, and maybe this country is, you know, of course, they should go out and flirt with all this slop. Mostly they come home to Palantir. They don't have to all come home to Palantir. We have limits. But go, go test it out. Go see how easy it I mean, they're creating the market for us. We saw the same thing with the defense tech startups, which we all we support and like, go, go do it. Go try see how hard it. See how easy it is to make these things work great. And then compare what you're delivering to what we've delivered. And you know what? We don't. My version is we don't have to have all the market. We can only cap. We are at our limit doing 100% this year, which I am going to drive the company and maybe we can do 100% next year in the US. You know, that's all we can do, you know. And they can just expose the market to their beautiful shiny appearances. And we'll just expose the market to how we will transform your enterprise. That's how it's going to go down. And by the way, I'm always telling people inside the company, everybody wants to be you. You just may not know it. They're all trying to do Politico stoyko this co. It's because in the end of the day, they need to have they need to have growth with profit. But you can't have profit if you're not changing your the dynamics of the partner you work with, meaning your customer, it is downstream from the value you create. And that's how we're very comfortable in that zone. Now, I do think this is a going to be, we're going to end up with a different term for software. You can't lump what we're doing. We're really providing infrastructure and the installation of AI infrastructure. It is look, if your company is largely running around and offering steak dinners with something that someone can, you know, hack and rebuild in a week. Yes, you're going to have a huge problem in this market, and those companies are going to have a hard time. That's that's life. That like all sorts of movements that don't make sense. They're under huge pressure. And that's one of the reasons we're at the forefront. I mean, can you believe we're at the forefront of almost every discussion in the world. And it's simply because we're powering almost everything that works. Not everything. There's some other great companies out there. Many of them are not well known, and we should help publicize them. But we're. And that that's where we're at. And that's what that's what these numbers show. You don't have to believe us. Believe your lying eyes.
S1 · 41:48 Thank you Alex, as always. We have a lot of individual investors on the line. Is there anything you'd like to say before we end the call?
S5 · 41:55 Well, to individual Investors and politicians who are also individual investors. Being on the front line of important things is painful. You get yelled at occasionally. Many of the people yelling at you have no clue what they're saying. Some of the people do have a clue what they're saying and just disagree. With the West being strong and more efficient and more moral and having better unit economics, or quite frankly, are stuck in the illusion of AI slop and the whole world. Some derivative of that on the right or left politically. We value your support and we value your defense of us. We are defending you every day, every day. And that's in great part what drives these results. And we are having some fun doing it too. Just so you know, and hopefully you'll have some fun. Thank you for your support and we will see you next quarter.
S1 · 42:49 Thank you. That concludes Q&A for today's call.